Smackdown
Recently, Barnes & Noble decided to get into the act and announced that Nook Press would also let you create a POD book that would then be for sale on the Barnes & Noble online store. I decided to try it. I uploaded virtually the same files for King of Trees that I had used on CreateSpace (I did have change to make the cover file a teensy bit smaller) and was able to publish using Barnes & Noble's Nook Press Print.CreateSpace copy on left. B&N on right. |
Amazon left; B & N right |
Some differences I observed:
- On both platforms, the vendor sets a minimum price you can charge for the book, based on size, but interestingly, it was almost $1.50 lower on Barnes & Noble than on Amazon. Of course, the royalty per book is lower, too, by almost the same amount. And, because of shipping costs, a customer might well pay more on B&N, as Amazon make CreateSpace books eligible for free shipping for Prime members.
- Both vendors let you do bulk orders at a lower price, but B&N sets a 125 copy minimum. Possibly, they use a different press for those orders, and not the Espresso. CreateSpace lets you "bulk" order as few copies as you like, but the shipping costs make it cheaper than retail only if you get at least 8 or 10.
- CreateSpace will distribute to Amazon in some other countries, and to other vendors, including B&N. Note that you make a teeny-tiny royalty for non-Amazon sales. Nook Press only goes to B&N online.
- CreateSpace lets you order an actual print proof copy before you put the book up for sale on Amazon. If Nook Press does that, I could not find out how to do it. The only preview I could see was online.
- Amazon is better at tweaking the PDF files for you if there is a minor problem. Nook Press just states the problem and tells you to fix it.
- I would give the Create-Space interface the edge over Nook Press, partly because I could not figure out a way to bulk order; there is a tab for Orders in the Nook dashboard, but all that happens when you click it is you get an empty screen that says "No orders yet." Because of that, I cannot compare the bulk order prices. Not that I would actually order 125 copies, but I would have liked to initiate the process to at least find out the per copy price. Update: I found the Order link! It was right near the Edit link. In spite of what the FAQ said (as I understood it), you can in fact oder just one copy; 125 is the maximum number, not the minimum. The bulk order price for KoT on B&N Nook is $6.92, versus $5.00 on Kindle.
- On the other hand, Nook Press does let you link the print book to an existing ebook during the publishing process, which CreateSpace doesn't do. Amazon does link the two copies up after a few days, but it's annoying that you have to wait and hope it happens.
- Nook Press was very slow to actually put my book on sale; it spent about a week in pending status. On the other hand, replacing the front cover of the Nook ebook (I got a new cover when I decided to do print) was really quick, but Amazon took several days to disseminate the new cover for the Kindle version after I had changed it in KDP. That's not really a print book issue, but it's only fair to mention it.
- I did not see any indication that B&N offers anything like Kindle Matchbook, which lets you give away (or sell really cheaply) the Kindle version of the book to anyone who buys the paperback.
From the help screens, it looks like if a Nook Press Print book sells enough copies, you can ask B&N to carry it in stores, but it doesn't say how many copies that is.
If you want to check King of Trees out online, here's the link for B&N, and for Amazon.
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ReplyDeletethank you for a very logical, easy-to-understand, thorough comparison of these two... Precisely what I was looking for.
You note (as I've experienced) that you don't really get a break on CS author copies, until you hit 8 or 10.. and then the break is actually just because of the shipping. You compare individual copy costs for the titles... is there a break in the copy price from NP at any point?
It certainly doesn't look like it. I see the same price whether I set the counter for the "order" at 1 book or 10 books or 100 books.
DeleteThanks for the kind words! I should also mention my newest project TURNABOUT isn't in Nook Press print because it won't let me use the same ISBN for that book that I used for the CreateSpace version. That's really annoying because it's NOT an Amazon-assigned ISBN, it's one I bought. The rules on needing a new ISBN apply to format, and a 6x9 paperback should be able to have the same ISBN regardless of vendor!
That is odd about the ISBN. From what I read here, Carmen was able to use the same ISBN for both the books with CS and Nook. Is that correct?
DeleteYeah, I did use the same ISBN for KoT CreateSpace and KoT Nook Press Print. But quite frankly, I don't know if that's because they changed the rule, or if I did something different in the order of publication.
DeleteI see. Do you know if you checked the expanded distribution box for CS? Or maybe limited distribution channels to not use B&N for CS? I'm trying to figure out how to use CS and Nook with the same ISBN since it is the same book, same size and everything.
DeleteHi! Did you ever figure out why it let you use the same ISBN for the first book but not the second? I'm in the process of self-publishing my first novel and hoping to avoid having to waste an ISBN because of B&N not allowing the same ISBN to be used there as on Createspace. Any advice is welcome! Thanks!
DeleteNo, all I could conclude was that they had changed something on their end. My plan on the next one is to do the Nook Press Print set up FIRST and publish there before I click the button to publish on CreateSpace. Alternatively, I think I might be able to get away with publishing via CreateSpacce but NOT using expanded distribution. I think the problem is if the CreateSpace version is already available on B&N via expanded distribution, it won't let you add a book with the same ISBN. Caveat: this is all supposition.
DeleteI think you're probably right about the expanded distribution. I've been asking about this on a couple of different websites to see who else might have encountered this problem. So far, everyone has come to the same conclusion about expanded distribution.
DeleteI have had a few nonfiction books published in the traditional way through small presses. One gave an advance, though the royalty percentage was fairly small. Now I mostly publish ebooks through KDP, and I'm exploring options to do a print book of an ebook that has sold fairly well.
ReplyDeleteIf I go through KDP, it's pretty much distributed only through Amazon channels like the ebooks. CreateSpace gives an expanded distribution that will sell through B&N and others, as well as Amazon. Nook will only sell thru B&N, from what I understand.
Ingramsparks is another option that sells worldwide and I have heard does a better job than CS expanded distribution. The catch is a $49 fee and $12 annual fee, which is relatively small but still different than the others with no such fees. You just have to figure out if you will sell more with Ingram than CS to make up for the fees and greater learning curve to use ingram over CS.
Still another option is a crowdfunding platform like Indiegogo. With that you have to attract readers' pledges to purchase and when you get a certain amount, Indie handles everything like a traditional publisher.
There are a few options to consider, and it's not always an easy decision. Some actually use a combination like CS for Amazon and Ingram for worldwide distribution - to give you even more options.
I have not tried the KDP print option because it seems to me it's more limited than the CreateSpace methodology. But I find it interesting that Amazon seems to be trying to push authors to use a single unified platform for print and ebooks.
DeleteThat is interesting and you wonder if Amazon will one day phase out CS in favor of KDP. You're right KDP is more limited, but it does give you money for people even looking at your book sample online. In other words, you get paid something even when people don't download your book. I don't know if CS does that, does it?
DeleteI think I did check it.
DeleteWhen you used your own ISBN for Nook Press did you need to get your own barcode or did they create one themselves?
ReplyDeleteBoth Amazon and B&N will create the bar code for your ISBN. All you need to do is be sure the cover has no text in that space, or anything you don't want covered up.
DeleteThanks for the info!
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ReplyDeleteNo, I've never published anything like that. Sorry.
DeleteQuestion. Is anyone earning any serious money out there?
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James-- Some people are. A lot of it depends on the genre. I would estimate (talking through my hat here) that the highest average earnings are found by romance authors in ebook format. For one thing, romance readers are voracious and many of them only buy ebooks. I don't make any money to speak of on the print versions but they make good promotional tools.
DeleteJust researched the Self Publishing field, and decided I would go with the quality and outstanding cover that Barnes and Noble did for me. It is my belief that Amazon, the new Walmart, will eat itself alive eventually. My greatest regret is that Banes and Noble won't let me list my Barnes and Noble ISBN on Amazon. Though its quality is outstanding...{for now} the sales are with Amazon. Barnes and Noble needs to take tips from Amazon and create its own reading groups specifically for the purpose of giving reviews. Reviews sell books. It takes at least 5 for anyone to pay attention. They will figure it out. I have faith the mortal enemies will learn from each other. {In the meantime, Barnes and Noble is my favorite Brick and Mortar shop to hang out.}
ReplyDeleteThe ISBN thing is annoying. I've encountered it, too. I sell very few paperbacks but a I find it useful to publish them because they make good giveaways. I will shortly be trying IngramSpark, too. I'll have to see how they compare.
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